Jennifer Loehding (00:23)
All right, here we are. Welcome, welcome to another episode of the Starter Girlz podcast. Wherever you are tuning in from, we are so thrilled to have you here today. And I'm excited because I get to talk to somebody from all the way around the world. I think this is so much fun that we have the ability to do this today. So my guest, Gabrielle Pimstone says that after dedicating 27 years to organizational psychology, a podcast encounter sparked a life altering shift.

Now as an energy coach, she gets to teach techniques for healing, navigating life transitions, and overcoming burnout. Her mission is to help people find joy and fulfillment and personal transformation and to experience the gratification of self -discovery, progress, and change. So I'm excited to get to chat with her today. I think this is going to be so much fun and we're going to get to learn some really, I just think, neat things. So Gabrielle, welcome to the Starter Girls Show. I'm so excited to have you here today.

Gabrielle (01:21)
Thanks so much, Jen. It's great to be here. I've been really looking forward to reconnecting with you and it's great to be here. Thanks.

Jennifer Loehding (01:28)
It's gonna be fun. All right, so let's start this off because you say you had 27 years of organizational psychology, which I think is impressive in itself because there's so much about psychology that is powerful. I would love to know, because you talk about this podcast, kind of what led to this transformation to going out on your own and doing this energy healing.

Gabrielle (01:53)
Firstly, I want to say that I think it's the thing that's impressive for me is that I survived corporate for 27 years and I survived the level of stress that I was going through. And it was that it was that anxiety and the stress that was the final straw. You know, I had a really incredible career. I loved what I did. I when I came to deciding what I wanted to study at university, it was a no brainer. Psychology.

My career, I got really, I was blessed. I worked for blue chip organizations. I had some really incredible bosses that were mentors and I did some very enriching work. But I'd say about five years before it all came down, things started to shift because the career that I once just loved and resonated so deeply with that was so much part of my identity.

started losing its resonance, started losing its shine. And I started seeing things and experiencing things in the corporate world that became untenable. For example, you know, corporate politics. I knew, of course I knew about it the whole time. In fact, that was part of what I worked with, helping people navigate through corporate politics. But it got to a stage where it started to feel so toxic that my energetic...

capacity to deal with it became less and less and less. Bureaucracy, the inability to get anything done quickly became a real impediment. And what happened was I woke, I had a senior leader role in a bank and I woke up on a Sunday morning with severe anxiety that was manifesting as butterflies in my stomach. And I went for a walk and I listened to a podcast. And there was a woman on the podcast who was talking about

her own life journey with anxiety and how it had kept her trapped in this ongoing cycle of waiting for the other shoe to fall. And it just, her story was so powerful and it just landed for me. And I thought to myself, I live with anxiety, always have, but I wanted to try and find a way to tweak my environment so that my anxiety doesn't, I can start managing it because I'd lost my joy for life. And it was actually that.

podcast that got me going. And I started to look for a different modality because I've been working with psychology all these years and I was still feeling stuck. And then that led me to working with energy.

Jennifer Loehding (04:30)
Wow, this reminds me of a story, a little bit different, but there was a guy that came on my show, a British guy by the name of Mo Salami. And he was talking about how he had had like three degrees and was making the six figures, was working, you know, in this. I want to say he might've been in maybe a pharmacist. I can't remember. So if I'm wrong, anybody can correct me and go back and listen to the episode. But.

Whatever it was, he was working in a career where he was making good money, lived in a nice neighborhood, had all the things. But he realized that he really didn't have that success that he wanted because he wasn't really happy. And he'd walked into this bookstore and he picked up a book by Jack Canfield. And he read the back of the book and it kind of changed the trajectory of his life. And so he actually went in and started studying.

all of Tony Robbins work and went to work with Tony Robbins for a very long period of time. And now that's basically he's a digital coach and does all of that coaching kind of stuff. It really just changed the whole trajectory. And I think the thing that's so interesting is that wake up call, right? Like you have that moment where you go, you know what, am I really feeling all that fulfilled? I've got the money, I've got the lifestyle, I've got all these things, but I'm just sort of not feeling like.

I'm all that successful or I'm burnt out or whatever that feeling that we get when we realize we're really just not that happy.

Gabrielle (05:58)
right. It's interesting that you use the word successful because it was last week or earlier this week. I can't remember. No, it was last week. I was on another podcast and somebody asked me my definition of success and I thought about it. And for me, it's really the giving yourself permission to live your life. Excuse me. I've got a frog in my throat. Living your life with authenticity, you know.

finding your purpose and living it as opposed to doing what is expected of you from a societal pressure perspective. And it's interesting because I was interested at a very young age in both psychology but also spirituality. And society moved me away from spirituality and into psychology. I'm not upset about that. I love psychology but what it did was it shut off a whole lot of my other gifts, a whole lot of my other passions.

which I've recently found in the last few years. So there's a lot to be said about really finding what blows your hair back and living your truth and authenticity.

Jennifer Loehding (07:06)
Yeah, and I was gonna say, and here you are, you found it. And that's the thing, you're right. I feel like no matter where we tune in, we all feel those societal pressures, right? Like to do what we think we should do. And we suppress a lot of times the things that really add value to our lives, the creative aspects or the pieces. I like to say they create flow because they bring a different part of your soul to the surface, a different part of who you are, whatever you wanna say to this. They just bring a different part of you.

and they allow you to show up differently, right? And so often, I know when I work with clients, a lot of times what I get is, and this could be anything. So for anybody listening to this, it doesn't necessarily have to be energy healing, it could be podcasting, it could be piano, it could be your running, it could be whatever that is that lights you up. They oftentimes will say they don't really have time to do those things because they have to do these other pressing things. And I always say, you really can't afford not to do those things because when you bring that...

part of that into your life. It really adds value to you, allows you to show up differently and allows you to be grateful and just be present, right? And just in all the facets of your life.

Gabrielle (08:16)
Yes, yes.

And you know, as you're talking, I'm thinking, you know, I've worked for 27 years in human transformation, how people change and helping people through big life transitions. And what you're saying has got me thinking about this million dollar question, which is, you know, why if we know if we're unhappy, why do we stay in the spiritual prison? Why don't we just make a different decision and, you know, change our lives? And...

One of the most challenging things in the whole process of change and transformation is getting off the starting blocks. And I saw this great quote a couple of days ago and I actually wrote it down and I've got it here next to me. If you have the courage to start, you have the courage to succeed. And it's really that starting that, you know, you can be really unhappy. And it took me years to really get off the starting blocks.

Jennifer Loehding (08:56)
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Gabrielle (09:17)
And I'm really curious about why that is the case. And I've kind of come to understand that there are a few things that go on at a psychological level with us that stop us from getting off the starting blocks.

Jennifer Loehding (09:31)
I'm sure you know you've been in that. I think psychology is such an interesting topic and I love talking to people that that's their thing like psychology because I think when you really get to the depths of humans you can start kind of figuring out why they do the things they do. You can really start studying and learning why the behaviors and stuff and there is a lot to that whole. I'm actually learning right now.

Gabrielle (09:34)
Oh yeah.

Yes.

Jennifer Loehding (09:55)
One of the things I'm studying is on nervous system dysregulation, which we all know about the nervous system and the vagus nerve. For those of us that don't, you might want to look that up. But this neurofit thing that I'm studying actually talks about how we have 80 % afferent nerves, which basically means we can't outthink our bodies. And really our nervous system is in control. And so when we're dysregulated, it's hard for us to achieve goals and make decisions and do all these things because...

our body is really controlling us. And so when you think about the work that you're doing, which we're gonna talk about in a minute, but you think about like meditation and energy healing and Reiki, all of these things that we talk about, these modalities that actually help the nervous system. Think about successful people. What makes successful people? A lot of them are doing these things. They're doing meditation, they're exercising, they're reading, they're doing all these things that really help to.

Gabrielle (10:26)
Yes.

Jennifer Loehding (10:50)
calm the nervous system, right? And when we do that, supposedly by this neurofit, it actually allows us, the study behind this is allows us to be better able to achieve the things that we want to do to make these changes and stuff. So yes, we got the psychology, but then also how do we, I guess, how do we take that and we learn to work our nervous system and calm it down so that we can really prime ourselves in a great place. It's interesting stuff.

Gabrielle (11:11)
Yeah.

And what you, it's so interesting because if I, you know, you've described that from a particular perspective, if I bring energy and frequency into the mix, when you are overwhelmed with anxiety and your nervous system is dysregulated, what happens, and this has been my experience, is you stop feeling the anxiety, you become the anxiety, it just takes over. And that's the work that I,

Jennifer Loehding (11:43)
Oh yeah.

Gabrielle (11:44)
you know, there's a difference between feeling something and it, you know, it's being in charge of you. And so when you're trying to change your life from that state, it's like, you know, walking in molasses because all your energy is going into fighting the anxiety or just keeping your head above water. And so one of the other parts of human transformation that's really important to understand is you've got to be in a non -resistant energetic state.

to take the next step forward. You can't be trying to change your life when you're feeling overwhelmed, depressed, hopeless. Tony Robbins talks a lot about energetic state and he's got tools, really nifty and very pragmatic tools to get you out of the quagmire and into a place where you feel that you can take the first or the next step forward. So there's so many challenges we face when we're going through healing.

Jennifer Loehding (12:36)
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Gabrielle (12:41)
One of them is getting off the starting blocks, but the other one is making sure that we release enough so that we get into this non -resistant state and that's where change happens.

Jennifer Loehding (12:51)
Yeah, this is good, Gabrielle. And yeah, I think that, yeah, this is good stuff. It really is. And I like where we're going. So I want to talk about this, this energy healing, because I think that this is so important. I think it goes along with this whole, because if you think about like releasing, there's so many ways to release energy, whether it be to do some kind of breathing, or take a calm state where you can breathe, or maybe it's dancing and it's, I love.

Gabrielle (13:03)
Yeah.

Jennifer Loehding (13:15)
One of the things I love to do, I'm a member of the gym and I run sometimes when my back is not hurting, I run, but I'm also part of this groove fitness, which is dancing, because I love to dance. And I think dancing is such a great way, right, to release energy. And it's creative. You can get into this creative play state, which I think is, you know, one of the things we don't put ourselves into a lot of times, we're always in this anxiety state or whatever is overwhelmed or shut down. They call that, what, dorsal vagal where you shut down.

Gabrielle (13:29)
Yes, yes.

Jennifer Loehding (13:44)
You know, and so I love to dance and I think that's such a great way. So I want to talk about this energy healing. I do want to mention that you did say something about, you know, how you become the anxiety. And I think it's like conditions, right? Like when we have disorders, we sometimes become the disorder. It's like we say, I have depression or I have this. And I don't know about you, but my state on this always is, is I'm not the condition. I may have a condition, but I'm not the condition.

Gabrielle (13:45)
this.

Yeah.

Jennifer Loehding (14:11)
My back is bothering me. I am not the back pain. The back pain needs to go away. That's my mindset is that I am not the condition. I don't like to be controlled by a condition, right? So I think we have to sort of in that almost change the languaging too, right? Like languaging it that I have this, right? And anxiety is such a big one because like you said, I get anxiety too. I've had it, you know, whenever I'm...

Gabrielle (14:11)
Yeah.

Right.

Jennifer Loehding (14:35)
deep in the trenches with my, I have a liver disorder and when it gets really, I'm in the trenches of that, you better believe my anxiety is going through the roof because the first thing that's going through my mind, Gabrielle, is am I going to get better? I start freaking out. Am I going to get better? And then before you know it, you become the anxiety, right? You're thinking about it all the time. And then you start panicking. Am I going to have a panic attack? Am I going to have one? You know? So I think it's so important to...

Gabrielle (14:58)
Yeah, yeah, exactly, exactly.

Jennifer Loehding (15:04)
learn for us and all of us to identify that we are not those things, we have them, right? We have them, but we're not them. It's so hard, I'm with you on it, it's so hard. But I wanna talk about energy healing. So I want you to tell us what this is. What is this that you do for your clients when they come to you?

Gabrielle (15:24)
Well, I do a few things, but I do, if I can just quickly, Jennifer, go back and just close off what you're saying, because it's so important what you've just said. And, you know, when you become something, it'd be talking about attachment to identity. And change often requires a shift in self -concept. And so this requires us to let go of familiar roles, labels, language, all the stuff you said. I just wanted to amplify how important.

that is because it's another thing that keeps us stuck. But when it comes to energy and mastery, there are five steps to it and I work with, you know, a person who comes to me can come at any point in these five steps, but there is a kind of a sequence. So energy mastery is made up of five, I guess, skills. The one is understanding your energy, which is really having

and understanding and a consciousness regarding not just your energy levels but your blocks and your patterns and also the factors that influence them. So what gets you in a downward spiral state? What gets you out of it? So the first part is understanding your energy. Second part is before you even work on yourself, how do you manage your environment? We call that protecting your energy. So you start to help people eliminate blocks.

Jennifer Loehding (16:25)
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Gabrielle (16:50)
in the environment and that's really like energy hygiene 101. Then the third element is peering energy and you know I work with advanced techniques that clear energy blocks but you started to speak about some simple things that we can do to shift our energy. I think you wrote down dancing, creativity, we can talk more about that and all of that is accessible to people but essentially what you're wanting to do is release and rebalance your...

release blocks will rebalance your energy. So that's clearing. The fourth element is how do you maintain your energy? So when we dip, how do you interrupt your energy dips? And the fifth part is optimizing your energy, which is really expanding your energetic capacity so that you can house a higher frequency and you can come off a higher base when adversity hits. So it's those five things, understanding, protecting.

Jennifer Loehding (17:45)
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Gabrielle (17:48)
clearing, maintaining and optimising your energy.

Jennifer Loehding (17:52)
That's good, that's good. Well, it seems like it's easy, but I guess everybody is coming from a different place. And I imagine when people are coming to you, could you talk a lot about burnout and these people are coming and they're like, you know, hey, I'm just, I'm spent. Like I am, my anxiety's, you know, overwhelming me and I'm just done. Where do I go from here, right?

Gabrielle (17:54)
Yeah, yeah, it is.

Yes.

Right, and burnout is when you talk about overwhelm, that's exactly what it is. Burnout, when you reach burnout, it's when the demands of the situation exceed your capacity to deal with them. Like you've got nothing left in your tank. And so there are two things that you can do. You've got the demands of the situation and your capacity to deal with them. You can either...

remove the demands of release the demands of the situation but often we can't do that so because life just happens so the other option is to increase our capacity to deal with demands and so that's what the work I do is all about you know releasing blocks but also elevating people's frequency so that when

adversity strikes, you're actually not bouncing back from it all the time, you're just actually not as affected by it as you ordinarily would be. You know, it's like, think about often... Oh no, go ahead.

Jennifer Loehding (19:12)
Yeah. And that's.

Go ahead, go ahead, you're fine.

Gabrielle (19:18)
No, I often think about the size of a coffee cup. If you think about that as your capacity to deal with demands. Some people have got those big Starbucks mugs, other people have got little espresso cups. So what you're wanting to do is you want to increase the size of your cup so that you can take more in. Because there's so much that we can do to influence the stress in our environment. But life is inherently stressful. We hold down jobs.

Jennifer Loehding (19:39)
Yeah.

Gabrielle (19:47)
you know, be parent and that's stressful. You know, marriages and relationships can be challenging. So they're things that are just inherently part of our lives. You really got to change how you respond to them. And that's where energy work comes in.

Jennifer Loehding (20:02)
That's good. And I like that you touched upon that because what's stressful for one person may not be the same level of stress for somebody else. And I think oftentimes we, I'm not saying you and I, but I think as a whole, we get kind of into this idea that everybody's tolerance level is like the same, right? And then we try to say, well, I know how you feel, but we don't know how somebody ever, and I've talked about that before, holding space, right? Because we don't really ever know how somebody feels because,

As you put it, and I'm not gonna forget that, they might have a small coffee cup versus the person over here who has the big cup and can deal with a lot, right?

Gabrielle (20:38)
Yes, exactly, exactly. That's part of the blueprint, understanding your energy. You know, what's the size of my cup? What's going to fill it up quickly and then get it overflowing? What's going to create more room and space for me? So really understanding what's going on inside you at an energetic level. And I'm often asked, how do you do that? How do you tune into your energy? Well, there's so many.

Jennifer Loehding (21:06)
Yeah.

Gabrielle (21:07)
way, you know, because it's kind of an invisible thing, right? There's so many things we can do that are accessible to us that give us a sense of what our energy, energetic state is. You mentioned language earlier, the words we use, you know, I often tell the story that one morning I woke up after a good eight hours sleep and I often talk to myself and I got out of bed and I went to, you know, the bathroom and

Jennifer Loehding (21:10)
Right, right.

Gabrielle (21:37)
I heard myself saying, I'm exhausted. And I just had an eight hour sleep. So that really got me, it was a wake up call, because I started to tune into how often I say the words, I am exhausted or this is exhausting. And I realized that that was an expression of feeling overwhelmed, of an energetic capacity that was at its breaking point. And so it wasn't a physiological thing, it was a psychological thing.

So language is one way we can tune into our energy and asking yourselves, you know, is my energy open or closed? Is it heavy or light? And just spending a couple of moments reflecting on that. So energy is definitely one way. You know, emotions are another way. You know, how am I feeling? You know, your emotion will give you a sense of what the energetic frequency is. If I say I'm feeling,

overwhelmed, you get a sense of the energy around that. It's heavy, it's you know dragged down. If I say I'm anxious, I'm so anxious, it feels hyped up, hypervigilant. So emotions are another kind of entry point into our energetic state.

Jennifer Loehding (23:58)
That's good. You know what, and it's interesting because how powerful that is. I've told this story, I don't know, I'm sure on, I've talked to so many people on these episodes. I'm sure at some point I've mentioned this story, but when I first, I was in Mary Kay Cosmetics for 22 years. And when I first joined back, this was in the late 90s, that was in my late 20s. I was probably a very different person than I am now. And when I say that I was probably a very cynical person, little one,

Gabrielle (24:22)
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Jennifer Loehding (24:26)
probably a little more insecure. And I remember going into these meetings. We would go in on Monday nights. I was down in, down in Houston. And I remember going in and we would walk in and the director would be at the entryway when we would come in. And the first thing she would ask, she would say, how are you doing? How are you doing? How are you doing? And I remember coming in and I would always say, fine. And every time she would correct me, she would stop me and she would say, you're great. And I'd have to repeat it. I'm great. And I,

Gabrielle (24:36)
I'm

Hahaha!

Oh, uh...

Jennifer Loehding (24:56)
Remember thinking at the time how this annoyed me. It really annoyed me, Gabrielle. I'm not going to tell you I remember that. But I understood fast forward, remove it 27 years later, having gone through Mary Kay as long as I did and how they really emphasize what we think about, we bring about and how the languaging affirmations, the thing we say, I realized the power in that because seldom.

I had gotten such in a place where I was showing up, where my language was always, I'm fine, I'm fine, I'm fine, I'm fine. Well, think about when you're talking about language, what does fine really say? It's kind of meh, I'm here, I'm barely showing up. Yeah, right? So now when people ask me how I am, I'm great, I'm doing well. If I'm fine, I probably am meh. You know what I mean? Like, you know, because I use the language exactly how I feel.

Gabrielle (25:32)
It is meh. It's very meh. Yeah. Yeah.

I do!

Jennifer Loehding (25:47)
But at that time, that was my languaging. And so when you talk about the power of languaging, it's so true when you get up in the morning and if you tell yourself like this morning, I got up and I was a little cross. And I think it was probably because I had woken up in the middle of the night and I was mad about it. So I got up and I was a little cross and I had to stop myself and say, stop telling yourself this, like stop it, just stop doing that because your whole day is gonna be crossed. You're gonna be like this if you don't stop the pattern, right? And so I had to, I went to the gym.

Gabrielle (25:48)
Yes.

Ha ha ha!

Yes. Yes.

Jennifer Loehding (26:16)
I worked out. That's what I did. But it changed. And obviously you're on here on this episode right now talking to you and I'm not cross right now. I'm totally fine, right? Not fine. I'm great. I'm well, but you see what I'm saying? It's, it's a lot of it. The language we use, how we're feeling and there's stuff that follows along. It trails with that. You know, when, when we do that and, and I think what we say is how we feel and then we confirm it, right? We sort of, yeah.

Gabrielle (26:18)
What? Yes, yes.

Yes. Yes.

Jennifer Loehding (26:46)
There's so much to this.

Gabrielle (26:47)
you there is so much I mean I could spend a whole episode talking about the power of language because what it's at it's additive you know it fuels more if you say I'm depressed or if you say I'm exhausted you're going to feel more exhausted you're going to feel though it really just reinforces the downward spiral but I'm really curious because you've just spoken about the energetic state of anger.

and frustration and annoyance. And I think that's an interesting conversation, Jen, because a lot of people say that anger is something to be avoided. It's a negative, it's a destructive emotion. But again, if we go back to what we were saying earlier, you know, if you can, there's a difference between feeling anger and reactive anger, which is when anger is in charge of you and you are the anger.

And there are certain kinds, there's a kind of anger that's actually really helpful, that mobilizes you to take action. It's like when you wake up one morning and I'm sick and tired of this issue in my life, I'm going to do something about it, for example. That is a really healthy expression of anger. And so my invitation to your listeners when you're feeling anger is to differentiate between, is this, am I feeling?

legitimate anger or is this just reactive anger, knee -jerk, anger taking over me? And if it's legit, then really find a way to express it. And sometimes what I do when I'm feeling pissed off and angry is I actually, and this is a form of, it's a form of physical movement, I actually just scream. I have like, I get into my car. People must think I'm crazy in my neighborhood because you often see me driving and just going.

Jennifer Loehding (28:34)
Mmm.

Gabrielle (28:41)
you know, screaming. If you don't have the luxury of scream, you can just do a silent scream. It's actually just as powerful. What that does is it shifts energy and it's a wonderful release.

Jennifer Loehding (28:44)
Yeah.

Yeah, yeah, or I even say, I saw something recently, I grabbed the pillow, you know, and just like, don't beat anybody with it, but you can beat your bed, you can totally beat your bed, you know. And I think that's so good that you brought that up, because I do think that we're taught not to feel emotion a lot of times, right? Like, and I think it's okay to feel emotion, it's what you do with the emotion when you have it. It's the aftermath, it's not,

Gabrielle (28:59)
Yes! You so can!

Jennifer Loehding (29:22)
to tell somebody that they shouldn't feel anger or they shouldn't feel any of these things we're talking about, anxiousness, all of these things, you're allowed to feel these, but are you allowing them to become you and dictate how you're gonna carry out your day and your week and your month and your life and everything around you, right? So it's that reactive that you're talking about versus...

Gabrielle (29:45)
Yes.

Jennifer Loehding (29:45)
I get mad. Don't get me wrong, I get mad, but it doesn't last long for me. My mad is I'm mad, I'm volatile for a moment because I got to work through this in my head. But I use it to propel me to do something different, right? It's not a reaction where it's consuming me in a place that I'm allowing it to be my all is what I'm saying. And so I like that you brought that up because I think it's important.

Gabrielle (29:57)
Exactly. Exactly.

Exactly. Yeah, yeah. So that's a, and what I found with myself and also with people that I work with is often anger is the secondary emotion. In my case, it was a mask for deep grief and loss and sadness and anxiety. So it's also useful to distinguish when you're feeling anger, is this the real feeling? Is this all of it or is there something beneath it?

Jennifer Loehding (30:16)
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Right, right. Yeah, because there's usually there is usually more to it that you got it. That's why I think you're great at what you do. You've got all that psychology background, you know, you can dig a little got to pull the onion layers up, dig a little deeper in there. We're going to figure out the root of this, right? I think I feel like in coaching. Do I get real? What did you say? I said, what did you say?

Gabrielle (30:39)
Yeah.

Sorry, a vegan pie, do? No, no, no, I just chuckled. No, I just chuckled at you. I love, you know, your energy was really lovely and animated, so I just had to chuckle. I wasn't saying anything. I love it. It's great.

Jennifer Loehding (31:03)
Yeah.

I have lots of energy, Gabrielle. I'm one of those high energy people. But you know what's so funny? I think that when we work with people, we're always doing some kind of, to really get to know people, you're doing some kind of psychology, I think, because you really, humans are complex and you really have to dig deep to understand people. And so when you're talking about anger, there's, I feel like there's always.

Gabrielle (31:25)
Yeah. Yeah.

Jennifer Loehding (31:31)
something, if it's a really rooted anger, there's something more in there that has to be unfolded. And I don't know, in coaching, I feel like this is a conversation I'm having all the time because it's always, like I was having a conversation with my husband yesterday and I said, you know, most often the reason people, there's usually some kind of fear in there. There's a fear of something being lost, something never, there's some kind of fear that's hidden behind a lot, even a lot of anger, there's fear hidden behind it a lot of times.

Gabrielle (31:51)
Yeah. Yeah.

you

Jennifer Loehding (31:58)
You know, feel it, fear of being hurt, fear of losing something, fear of being left out. There's, you know, there's always something in there. And so I think when we get to the root of that, then it helps. But I love the work that you're doing because I think it's so important in helping people move past those feelings of anger and fear and all of those things that sort of, a lot of times get us stuck in non -moving positions.

Gabrielle (32:19)
They keep us trapped. But you know, you're talking a lot about the root. You've said that a few times. It's a very powerful word because I didn't, what this, and this differentiates, I guess, the way that I used to work from the way I currently work. When you've worked out, you know, what's going on inside you, when you actually want to release the root, that's where energy works.

Jennifer Loehding (32:33)
you

Gabrielle (32:47)
comes in because all of these things have an energetic frequency. All they are is energy actually. So we spend so much of our lives in therapy working out cognitively what's going on with us and kind of not really breaking out of these patterns. What I do is I help people understand what's going on for them. They don't go into their energetic system and I release the energetic root of what's happening. Like...

the energy that's been left behind from the primary event that created this dynamic in their life. And that's where the magic happens, Jen, because, you know, once, because things happen to us, right, in childhood, sometimes even when we're in the womb, and they leave an energetic imprint on us, because energy doesn't go anywhere. It either, we either release it, or it transmutes or it sits with us, but you know, it doesn't.

Jennifer Loehding (33:23)
you

Right.

Good.

Gabrielle (33:46)
Like if we haven't released it, it just sits, it gets lodged in us and it builds and it compounds over time. And then it becomes our dominant frequency. Like for me, mine was grief and anxiety. It's my dominant frequency and I have an inception point, a route around that. And I spoke about it a lot in therapy, but it was only until somebody went into my energy system and released the energetic inception point, the frequency, what was left behind.

Jennifer Loehding (34:02)
you

Gabrielle (34:15)
They let it go, they released it. And that's when change happens. And that's why a lot of people are starting to get drawn to energy work because you're working at the deepest level. Energy gets stuck in your cells, it gets stuck in your physical body, it gets stuck in your energetic body, in your chakras and all these imbalances, that's what creates these dysfunctional patterns in our lives. It's exciting.

Jennifer Loehding (34:27)
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Yeah, no, this is good. And yeah, and I think, you know, when I, when I think about energy, I think of like, when you, I always talk about like, I feel people's energy. Like I can tell when I walk in a room and I meet somebody, whether this is, and I was told me, this is how I think of energy. So like, when you go in the room and you meet somebody, you know, like I can tell right away, if I feel funny, weird around somebody, there's something wrong. There's something there that I don't know what it is yet. Sometimes it doesn't manifest very quickly.

but something will come up eventually. I'll figure it out. There's something weird there. And I think it's, I always say it's kind of the same thing animals pick up on people like they know, right? But I think when you talk about energy, I think of like, when you think of a bad situation, when you talk about this energy that you have around something, maybe a childhood or something that happens, it's like you go into a situation and it just feels uneasy or it's a negative energy or you feel bad about it, right? And so I use that kind of what you're talking about.

Gabrielle (35:18)
Totally, yes!

you

you

Jennifer Loehding (35:39)
Even like when I'm doing things like when I'm around people, it's like, I know I need to assess this. If I'm in a situation where this feels off, is this something that is coming up from a past thing for me? Something that that or is there something really wrong with this situation right here? You know what I mean? Like it prompts me to think so that I can go, okay, is this something I need to really deeply assess and look at? Or is it just...

Gabrielle (35:51)
Yes.

Yeah.

Jennifer Loehding (36:07)
This feels off because there's something wrong with this person. I don't know. We're not jiving here. You know what I mean? Like it's just not working out. You know.

Gabrielle (36:13)
Well, what you're doing though, Jen, is you're reading their energy. That's what you're doing. You're meeting someone and within the first 30 seconds or minute, you're reading their energy. You might not have the language to say that feels, that frequency feels like X, Y, and Z, but you know something's off. And it's, I mean, I know somebody who actually they developed an energy block when they were in their mother's womb because it wasn't a planned pregnancy.

Jennifer Loehding (36:17)
Yeah.

Yeah.

Nothing on you.

Gabrielle (36:43)
And their mother, yes. And their mom loved them when they were born. I mean, there wasn't any issues there, but obviously, I mean, I don't know the details, but I can imagine that not a planned pregnancy, but there might've been resentment, anxiety, whatever that the mother experienced. The child was in the womb, there was an energy transfer and a block formed in that child. And this person, their energy block,

Jennifer Loehding (36:43)
Interesting.

Gabrielle (37:12)
The energetic frequency when you meet them within 10 seconds you can just get a sense that this person feels very needy, like clingy, needy, hypersensitive, you know that kind of vibe and if you met that person you go, oh something's off, they gave me the ick or whatever. But when I did work with this person I realised that this route had its inception point in the womb.

Jennifer Loehding (37:21)
Thank you.

Gabrielle (37:42)
and this person was born with this block. And so that then allowed me to release the inception point, which was in utero. And that's really powerful.

Jennifer Loehding (37:49)
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There's so much to this, Gabrielle, we can talk forever. Yeah, we can talk forever on this because I look at this and think, okay, so yeah, this mom had resentment and she probably loved the child, but there's still the energy that is attached to us when we have this kind of animosity. We're different, they're different, there's so much there that we don't even really understand how.

This is what I was talking about, all the thought process, how we feel about ourself, because it goes back to if you go into a situation and you are telling yourself, this is going to be a bad situation, I'm going into this, this is going to be a bad situation, when you show up, the energy that you're going to give off to the people around you is going to be, even though they may not be aware of it, I might be aware of it, you might be aware of it, because I can pick up on people's stuff.

but they will go in there and they're not gonna know why they feel off and the people around them are not gonna quite know either why this is off. It's just gonna feel like this person doesn't wanna be here. There's something going back and forth and that's the kind of energy that I pick up up with. I can feel when people are uncomfortable. I can feel when somebody is, I even can feel, I can even, even when I think somebody's really nervous and they're.

Gabrielle (38:51)
fields.

Yes.

Jennifer Loehding (39:06)
going through stuff, I can pick up on that. And it's a weird feeling. And I almost find myself a lot of times trying to overcompensate by like, if I see somebody like that, then I go, okay, now I gotta try to figure out how to make this person feel comfortable. It's so hard. It's so hard, Gabrielle. It's so It is, because I feel it. And sometimes I just want it, you know? I don't want it.

Gabrielle (39:21)
I know. It's a burden, isn't it a burden? Sounds like you've got some...

It sounds to me like you've got some real gifts, which probably makes you a really great coach.

Jennifer Loehding (39:36)
Yeah, it was probably a baby and I'm sure that Gabrielle, it's probably deep rooted back to something in my child. I always say there's a stuff to this, but there is it's a blessing that occurs.

Gabrielle (39:42)
Ah, it always is! It totally is. But what we're talking about here is because energy is invisible. Just because it's invisible doesn't mean it's not running the show. Doesn't mean that it's not powerful. And I always say this, like if you've got these blocks and if you're walking around with this frequency that people can pick up in five seconds about...

You know, your energy is either an accelerator or it's an invisible handbrake in your life that keeps you stuck in patterns, in first gear. And because it's invisible, it's difficult for us to see, it's difficult for other people to make sense of, but it's this big elephant that sits between us and other people and us and the world around us. So it's absolutely invisible, but it's running the show and that's really important.

And that was an important awakening for me that got me into this whole discipline.

Jennifer Loehding (40:44)
That's good, that's good, Gabrielle. I love it. Well, and I know people are gonna hear this and they're gonna be like, oh my gosh, where do we find out more about this? So Gabrielle, if our listeners wanna come check you out, follow your work, see what you're doing, where would you like me to send them?

Gabrielle (41:00)
Well, you can send them to my website, because that you get a good sense about how I work, not just what I do, but who I am and how I work. You can also follow me on Instagram. I post a few times a week and I'm always sharing content as it relates to my own life. So you get a greater insight into who I am, but also, you know, some tips and tools and pragmatic things that you can take away and do differently in your life. So one of those two would work.

Jennifer Loehding (41:27)
Awesome. And what is your website for our listeners that are not getting to see this in the visual?

Gabrielle (41:32)
Yes, it is www .generativegrowth .com .au. Don't forget the AU, I live in Australia. Generativegrowth .com .au. And Instagram is gabrielle .pinstone.

Jennifer Loehding (41:46)
And you are, yep, you are chiming. Okay, got it. And you are chiming in all the way from Australia. My oldest daughter got to go to Australia when she was younger. She went on a trip there and got to go to check out some fun stuff over there. So I feel like two of my kids have gotten to travel abroad and do fun things like that. So it's a great place.

Gabrielle (42:04)
It's great.

And if you do want to travel abroad Australia is the best place. There's so much to do for tourists. Weather's great. The only thing that I don't like about Australia are the creepy -callies. Like I've got arachnophobia and we get like in summer spiders like this everywhere. It's hideous. It's just hideous.

Jennifer Loehding (42:29)
Yes, those would, those would, those would make me out to, yes, those would get me up on my skates like woo! Oh, that's so great. Well, Gabrielle, this has been awesome. I want to tell you, thank you so much for your time and for your wisdom and keep doing your thing. It sounds like an amazing thing. Love it. And we appreciate you.

Gabrielle (42:43)
Thank you.

And I appreciate you and you know, as a podcast host, you always create such a great platform and thank you for hosting people like us so we can get our voice out there. Thank you so much.

Jennifer Loehding (43:02)
Absolutely, absolutely. And of course to our awesome listeners, I always like to speak to you. Of course, if you enjoy the show, head over to Apple, give us a review over there. You can check us out on YouTube, hit that subscribe so we can keep sharing all this fabulous content with you. And as I always say, you guys take care, be safe, be kind to one another, and we will see you next time.